The little guy is annoyed and springs up to start yelling at the big guy. The big guy looks around to make sure he's the one being yelled at, as he doesn't remember doing anything. While he's doing that, the little guy swings his arms as high as he can reach and connects his tiny fist with the big guy's face. Then some other restaurant patrons restrain the little guy while the big guy stands there with a confused look on his face.
If you had to declare a winner of that fight, who would it be? You couldn't say the big guy lost just because he got punched in the face- he stood his ground and didn't feel the need to fight back. You also couldn't say that it's a tie, because it's pretty clear that the big guy, if nothing else, is at least not being a dick about the whole situation, even though he could have.
Shortboarders are the little guy in this situation. It's not that we have no reason to react- longboarders bumped our chair, our space was violated, and they don't even care enough to know what we're mad about.
In other words, it seems to be the naivety that's the most bothersome. I have personally experienced this, and I must admit, it's a little uncomfortable. I sometimes use my skateboard for transportation- I already own and maintain a skateboard, and it's way faster than walking, so why not? But whenever I bring this up to a longboarder, their suggestion is always the same: "You should get a longboard then.
It's like, way better. Yes, I understand that the larger wheels and wide set trucks allow for a smoother ride and less pushing, but in an urban environment, a shortboard has several distinct advantages.
I can ollie up and down curbs with no problem. I can take sharper turns. I can come to a complete stop as fast or faster on a shortboard, given how much easier it is to powerslide.
And if all else fails and I wind up carrying my board, a shortboard is way easier to carry. And if I was going to take advice from someone, it would be from someone who looks like they know what they're doing.
I'm sorry if you happen to be "that guy" that I'm about to describe, but if you're mongo pushing around town with not just a helmet, but a pair of gigantic gloves with plastic balls all over them, but you leave your elbows and knees exposed by wearing a tank top and shorts, you don't look like you know what you're doing.
Actually, I'm just going to say it- if you're that guy, you've clearly never put any real thought into your skateboarding. I say that with the utmost respect- I'm not blaming you for not knowing, but if your scared enough about scrapes and cuts to wear gloves for sliding, then you should be worried enough to wear elbow and knee pads.
Or, you could stop being a wimp about it and just ditch the gloves and helmet- if you know what you're doing, neither of them are that useful anyway. The rules change for those who bomb massive hills- in that case, a helmet, pads, and gloves are at least respectable. The problem is that the vast majority of longboarders who wear gloves really don't need them for rolling to and from Even still, are reasons like this good enough to justify our attitudes towards longboarders?
I mean, being angry at them isn't helping anything, that's for certain. Longboarding is more popular than ever, and calling them stupid isn't convincing them of anything.
If anything, it just sends the message that we are hypocrites for claiming to be misfits and then turning around and claiming that longboarders aren't cool enough to join us.
So what's a better way to look at it? Nothing is more confusing than meeting someone who says they skateboard only to see they're board is a 42inch generic sector 9 longboard and their idea of skateboarding is pushing mongo and stepping off 10ft later.
I'm all for someone getting their kicks, but it's not skateboarding, it's longboarding. They're not. It's longboard skateoarding. Just like I said before, with surfing, many people choose to get into shortboard surfing. It's the more popular style by far due to it's emphasis on tricks and airs and just more control over everything. It's bigger, flashier, more fun. On the other hand, you have longboarding, which is slower, more in tune with the ocean, and just more cruising.
Can one style be considered more "surfing" than the other? They are both surfing. But, yes, you can classify them as two different things. Longboarding takes on the name longboarding because of the name the boards have come to be known by. Skateboarding remains skateboarding because that is what it came up as and it's the predominantly used term. But, these are both just classifications under skateboarding as a whole, and they are both technically skateboarding.
Well, to start off, I wouldn't consider this person a longboarder, or a "skateboarder" if you want to get overly technical. They're using the board as a device for travel. It doesn't discredit the sport of BMX at all though.
Second, how is that even confusing? Once you see the board, it just clicks. It's simple. Oh this person says they skateboard, but they don't truly skateboard. They are not involved in the culture of it, they just ride the board.
That seems pretty damn easy and far from confusing. This person isn't a skateboarder, but others riding more legitimate longboards are. They are invested in the culture and sport. It may all be foreign to you, but it's still skateboarding, just another side of the sport. It's all skateboarding. They are riding skateboards. To get into technicalities saying one version is skateboarding and another is not because of your own views on what you think skateboarding is which are far from professional or holding any sort of substantial value to the culture as a whole is pretty damn trivial.
So, what makes it not skateboarding? And, don't say because people just push around on them, because as I've said before you can use this example with anything, and it's not a valid argument. I've seen plenty of people with regular shortboard skateboards they bought at Walmart or a complete they picked up at the local skate shop doing the same, pushing mongo and just riding around on it. Because it's not the form of skateboarding you chose to get into?
Because it's not the most popular, mainstream form? Why do they have to be discredited at all? The people who originated skateboarding weren't doing any tricks that are common today.
They weren't popping ollies or flipping the board, were they not skateboarding? What were they doing? Old schooling? Double post- Has anyone had their normal skateboard referred to as a 'short board' by longboarders?
Or that we're 'shortboarders'? If anything, they're the ones who want us classified as something else. Also, I'm to tired to reply to everything you posted, but for the last part. Most people who do other aspects of skateboarding, want that aspect acknowledged. Freestylers, Vert skaters transition skaters hate being called vert skaters, because vert means you skate on vertical ramps, not pools and shit , and so on. I've ever so much heard slalom riders not wanting to be called anything related to skaters, since they don't skate, they slalom.
I don't think anyone is really focused on the technicalities of it because they don't care. They do what they love because they do. I was simply pushing the issue because I find it ridiculous to find someone so focused on classifications and names.
Who cares? What is real skating and what isn't? What does it matter? Neither of us will have a change of mind anytime soon. People will disagree with me and people might disagree with you. That's what will be interesting in this new forum area. Seeing different points of view on the same thing. Also, that gonz video is still one of my favorite videos online. Pretty sure no distinguished longboarder would ever say they "skate" so I don't get the point as to why any of you care.
The only idiots who say they skate when they longboard are usually your typical transport bros. I don't really care, I'm just saying they still skateboard and to say what they are doing is not a form of skateboarding is just an elitist and close-minded view held by people who partake in the more popular form of the sport. A longboard is a skateboard, just a different type. It's not some completely different "sport" if that's what you're willing to call it.
Besides skateboarding has no set definition anyway, skateboarding is what you make it. One isn't superior to the other, one isn't more deserving of a damn title than the other. Its my understanding of the history that, kids used to fix roller skate axls to pieces of wood, so it became a roller skate board since we don't use rollerskates to do that anymore, one could argue that the name skateboard is incorrect anyhow. Stating that its not a skateboard just because its a little longer is really dumb tbh, as has been said, its a skateboard, a long skateboard yes, but its still a skateboard.
After re-reading my posts from 2am, after skating for 7 hours and drinking a tad to much, I might have worded my shitty opinion badly, so I can understand why people think I'm a fucking idiot, but I still stand by it, however I did word it poorly. I still think longboarding and skateboarding are two different things, but I can see LFF was just trying to say they're both physical skateboards.
Similar to how Cars and Trucks are both automobiles. However, I still say they are two different acts and should be referred to as such. Much like you wouldn't call mountain riding and bmx the same thing. You're risking your body when your flying down a big ass hill.
I've been riding longboards for four years now, and I tell people I skate. If they want to go into detail, I tell them I ride longboards, but to me skating is skating. The "distinguished" guys are usually the one's who say longboards are skateboards. When you're going faster and have to stop quickly, you can't always do a standup slide, and footbraking takes too long. I frequent a longboard forum, and people usually refer to "conventional" skateboards as shortboards just as a means classification.
I've never heard anyone actually refer to one as a shortboard, nor would I ever call it that. Longboards are actually starting to overlap with "convetional" skateboarding as of late. Giant doublekick boards have become quite popular lately as do-it-all setups. You can go from going 40mph to doing 40ft powerslides to kickflipping shit all on the same setup.
I totally respect longboarding, one of my good friends who i skate with a lot longboards. It's not really his point, he's not debating what a lot of people say or what people refer to longboarding as, he's saying at the end of the day and I agree that a longboard is a skateboard.
Honestly Let Fire Fall and DVS skater are the only ones who seem to make any sense I've ever so much heard slalom riders not wanting to be called anything related to skaters, since they don't skate, they slalom. What slalom skater told you they were not riding a skateboard?
Honestly Let Fire Fall and DVS skater are the only ones who seem to make any sense What slalom skater told you they were not riding a skateboard? I'm diggin' the Kebbek set-up. Rainskates Megatsunamis. They're awesome wheels. They feel like an icier, but equally as buttery classic thane.
This is what i got from this People on lff's "side" - GOT people on dtj's "side" - general skate talk. My three roomates from last year longboard, and they're all into the special boards, slides and shit. They're decent riders, can handle hills and thankfully do not push mongo. Sometimes I'll go cruising with them on my skateboard, and I'm always going way faster down hills.
Not to mention the hills they bring me too I can easily bomb switch. I bring them to the gnarliest hills, they end up eating shit or stepping off because they can't stop. They all ride tighter trucks, I can't even ride those boards.
My opinion on it: they've shown me videos of some pretty crazy dudes, I would still rather watch someone bomb a gnarly sf hill on a skateboard. I would skate a board that was "long" to cruise around on, but it'd have to have a nose and tail. It's pretty retarded not being able to Ollie when you need to get somewhere, those tail less decks suck.
Ultimately it's sometimes deserving of respect, but anything capable on a longboard can be done on a skateboard, and much more. It's kinda beat. That's your opinion and you come from a background of traditional skateboarding. Why hate on something and the people who enjoy it just because it's not your first choice?
Skateboarders are some of the most elitist, pretentious people. It's really silly. Why are you better than anyone else because of the board you ride? It's all just dumb. I don't get why people are always so hot to discredit people, or prove one thing is better than another. Why not just coexist without the tension? It seems to be way easier and less stressful. Yes, skateboarders are indeed elitist and do have strong opinions.
But that's because anyone who truly loves something has strong opinions on it. Also, I think doc's post made me laugh. Ps: Popwar saying 'my opinion' and having a big lebowski avatar made me smile.
I have nothing against longboarders. I used to longboard, until I got more into skating. I agree, there are some skaters that are huge elitists though. I think longboarders are cool, hell, fucking anything is fine with me, as long as you're not snaking at parks and doing stupid shit.
Its really the person, not the group. December edited December Skip to I suppose I do look at bro-boarders with a suspicious eye, until they prove that they are not a kook. That's about it though.
Live and let live. I am with Cwalker pretty much, except one skate subculture I do not understand maybe more of a collecting one is those freaks who only collect one wheel. What do you do with them, use them as paperweights? Is there any reason for animosity between skateboarders and longboarders, or could that just be another made up accusation by left wing Democrats, socialists and Marxists promoting tribalism as a key part of their agenda to reshape Western Civilization though a strategy of Divide and Conquer?
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